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adrianucker (August 28, 2008 at 8:26 am)
Johnny, AIPAC is indeed an efficient lobby group, and I also agree some of their interests are selfish, perhaps even driven by paranoia. But I would disagree with the idea that their campaign contributions define who is elected and who is not. That seems to be impossible for ANY single lobby group to achieve.
JohnnyRock2000 (August 27, 2008 at 7:59 pm)
AIPAC, when challanged denies everything. It is incredible, but the control is exercised way in the background by educating politicians, bringing them to Israel and making clear Israeli views and goals. AIPAC directs huge amounts of Jewish interest money to the appropriate candidates. If you don't vocally support Israel...your opponent will get jewish campaign funds and you won't. The result? You won't get elected. Because the money does not come directly from AIPAC, there is deniability.
adrianucker (August 26, 2008 at 12:20 pm)
Lonewolf, you obviously didn't read the Talmud and is motivated by anti-Semitism. This goes beyond being anti-Israel.You are simply racist. Others in this forum disagree with me without having to appeal to your repugnant motives.
lonewolf1369 (August 26, 2008 at 7:45 am)
how could they be 'tragic exceptions' when the UN lookout was on its own and Israel precisely knew where it was. They were also precision guided missiles. Besides, by looking in the Talmud we can see where all this destruction is coming from. Judaism's holiest book explicitly states hate against Christians, gentiles, and non-Jews and says killing and stealing from them is okay. IDF soldiers ask rabbis how they should deal with civilians during war!!! The Talmud is racist and self-worshipping
adrianucker (August 25, 2008 at 4:51 pm)
RepublicanStones, Israel's strategy was to target structures that served Hezbollah. Bombing a UN headquarter and other mistakes were tragic exceptions. Israel could not have conceived to gain with that. And in spite of the south being an almost autonomous Hesbollah region, Hezbollah has premisses and operations in the rest of Lebanon, and amunition and arms come through ports, airports and roads all over Lebanon. In fighting Hezbollah, Lebanon's suffering was not desirable, it was unavoidable.
RepublicanStones (August 16, 2008 at 12:33 am)
'If this is how they explain Israels bombing of infra-structure then they are clearly biased. This is a maliciously simplistic explanation.'
Considering Hezbollah is based in south Lebanon and Israel bombed roads and power stations etc all over Lebanon including the north, you seem to be talking shite. Israel is the worlds premier rogue state.
wilie123 (July 29, 2008 at 4:19 pm)
such clever, informed and patriotic gentlemen are the answer to the problemes that face USA today and may save the USA
these are the ideas(debate openly and transparently) that has made USA big in the passed and is a garantee that it will be so in the future and that USA not have the fate of USSR which because of the arrogance of its leaders crummbled down before our eyes
which will be a great loss to our civilisation
wilie123 (July 29, 2008 at 4:03 pm)
adrian
we all must have an interest in the issue of a powerfull, democratic, helpfull and a just USA
which, by the god given economical, political and militry power, can give the world a lot of stability and help to fight dictatorships,extremism, hunger and invirometal catastrophies
but said that, the americans must come to the conclusion that in their foreign policies not the bible but their own national interests and their own secular and democratic standards should be the guidline
adrianucker (July 29, 2008 at 3:12 pm)
Willie 123, I explicitly addressed an issue ("Israel's intention in fighting Hezbolah was to punish the Lebanese in general"). Please don't choose to ignore facts.
wilie123 (July 28, 2008 at 5:40 am)
mr.adrianucker hallo
(there seems to be some biased simplism)
is not what you are saying, a try to discredit these gentlemen
u r not saying that what they have found out is a lie
u r just attacking the speaker not the subject |
