watizlife123 (July 24, 2008 at 2:26 am)

there doing sumthin rit thats benefits them here n there after life may allah give the janna n peace on earth.

justkash (July 12, 2008 at 11:55 pm)

mocha you are free from me and i am free from you. I know my religion if you have lost yours then i suggest you find yours. Dawah is an important call i suggest if you want to call to the truth then i suggest yoy start by calling to the deen and not start by attacking imams and teachers of tawheed.

justkash (July 12, 2008 at 11:52 pm)

condemned condemned condemned. you sould like a parrot there are many scholars who praise ibn abdul wahab. who shall i believe you or the scholars from ahlus sunnah?????

justkash (July 12, 2008 at 11:50 pm)

i had a look at your sources but they are people talking like you, words do not mean anything if not backed up by the quran, sunnah and understanding of the salaf us salif. Ibn tayyimiyyah rahimahullah spoke out against people if they did not adhere to teaching of islam and it is well not also it is position of the scholars to warn against deviants not for the common folk. Imam ibn abdul wahab rahimahullah taught from and followed the works of ibn taymiyyah rahimahullah.

mochaman11 (July 12, 2008 at 11:06 pm)

I bet you have also studied terms like Dar Al Harb and Dar Al Islam thinking that they are a central tenet in Islamic teachings. But tell me, where do I find these terms in the Quran or the Hadith? No where, cause they don't exist. They were classifications created by medieval scholars to respond to the political situations of their times. There is also the abode of the non belligerents and neutral. I say this because this is one of the things "salafis" try to brainwash people with.

mochaman11 (July 12, 2008 at 11:03 pm)

Secondly, the Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafi jurists of the time condemned him and warned of his ways. According to him, things like the telegraph were considered to be evil! I can tell you have been mainly spoonfed what you are saying here but haven't really looked into Islamic history by yourself. Do you simply repeat what you hear the Imam say or what you hear in a lecture? I was referring to the unbeliever/hypocrite part cause you posted that Ayah.

mochaman11 (July 12, 2008 at 10:59 pm)

I posted my sources. Did you not have a look? His teachings and followers were notorious for making Takfir upon Muslims and committing slaughter on those who they labeled as heretical. Have you not heard of the Ikhwan before? And sorry, he didn't really follow the hanbali school. But rather he was very selective about what he chose from the Hanbali school. For instance, Ibn Taymiyya was totally against Takfir but Wahab regularly did it which paved the way for many massacres.

justkash (July 12, 2008 at 10:07 pm)

truthful look? you accused an imam of ahlus sunnah of encouraging murder! neither have i found him to teach it or others that i know who study his books. Muhammed ibn abdul wahab followed the hanbli school of thought in fiqh aslong as in lined up with the Quran an sunnah upon the understanding of the salaf us salif. You accused an imam who has passed away he also prayed, kept fasts and memorised quran, hadeeth and studied history. you don't like to be accused so why accuse others?

mochaman11 (July 12, 2008 at 4:29 pm)

Yeah well I'm pretty sure the admin is deleting my comments. So much for a friendly debate. And I really don't understand why ou put those ayats down. Am I a hypocrite because I read about history? Am I an unbeliever? I pray 5x a day, have a beard, read the Seerah, fast, say Alhamdulillah, Insha'Allah, go to the masjid, memorize Quran. But somewhere along the way I decided to take a truthful look at Islamic history and jurisprudence. You can never bury the truth, it will always surface.

justkash (July 12, 2008 at 10:24 am)

Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. (Al-Baqarah 2:6) Allâh has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allâh's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment. (Al-Baqarah 2:7) And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allâh and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not. (Al-Baqarah 2:8)